Hello!  I also posted this question on the rug weavers group, so sorry if some of you see it twice.

I am trying to weave a small 22" wide bound rosepath rug.  My warp is 8/2 linen and my weft is hand-dyed 2ply rug yarn at about 1200 ypp.  Pretty fine.

I sampled!  I sleyed the center 4-5 inches at 10epi and it was slightly too tight, but the weft did pack down.   I changed the reed, re-sleyed the entire warp at 9epi (sleyed in a 12dpi 1-1-1-0) and now the weft will not beat down!!!

What changed since my sample? 

1) the reed and sett .  I went from 10epi (on a 10dpi reed) to a slightly wider 9dpi (on a 12 dpi reed)  and

2) the width of the warp.

Can the width of the warp affect the sett? 

Solutions:  I have tried: a temple (figuring the wider warp was drawing in more) but it didn't help.  I have tightened the warp and loosened the warp.  I have raised the beater and lowered the beater.   The thing is, I can pack the weft down with my fingers!  But the beater does not seem to be able to do it.  Due to the sleying pattern 1-1-1-0, I thought perhaps the three close warps were not moving over to the empty dent space in the web, but after packing the weft down by hand, I can see the the warps have shifted to fill the empty space and are in fact acting as a 9dpi.

I"m stumped and could use any suggestions or ideas.

Thanks in advance!

Ruth in CA

Comments

Sat, 12/21/2013 - 15:03

Jeannie (not verified)

Could it possibly be that your beater isn't striking the fell line perpendicularly because you advanced the warp too far? Just a wild guess...
Sat, 12/21/2013 - 16:10

JennieHawkey (not verified)

Ruth,

Have you tried closing the shed before you beat? So treadle, throw the shuttle, let the treadle down, THEN beat.

Did you weave a plain weave header before starting to weave the pattern?

Try weaving a few inches and see if it gets better.

If none of these are the solution, could you post a picture of what it looks like? Sometimes it is easier to see that tell!

Hope this helps,

Jennie

 

Sat, 12/21/2013 - 16:55

SallyE (not verified)

This is just a guess. . .    Your sample was at 10 epi, but when you re-threaded, you wanted to reduce the sett a little (to 9 epi) but, not having a 9 dent reed you sleyed 1-1-1-0 on a 12 dent reed.  

A 12 dent reed is denser than the 10, so you are actually going to a denser sett.   The fact that you sleyed 1-1-1-0 is not enough to make up for the denser reed.  With 3 threads in a row on the denser reed, that one space can't get distributed evenly.   That might work if you sleyed 1-0-1-0, or even 1-1-0, but apparently not with 1-1-1-0.  But to get a sett of 9, you are really going to need a 9 dent reed.

Anyway, that's my guess.

 

Sat, 12/21/2013 - 17:47

kerstinfroberg

I agree with SallyE.

Also: yes, the width matters. On a wider warp it is difficult to beat as hard as on a narrow. While I'm not good neither at bound rosepath nor at rugs, I was taught to go up to 10% wider sett for a wide warp, when weaving ordinary fabric, compared to the sample.

Sun, 12/22/2013 - 17:30

Artistry

I agree with SallyE and Kirsten too. Have you tried it at 8 epi. In an 8 dent reed and see what happens?
Sun, 12/22/2013 - 18:45

kerstinfroberg

is that the question is 7 months old - maybe it has been solved?

Happy holidays!

Sun, 12/22/2013 - 21:45

Artistry

HA! HA! Happy Holidays to you too!
Mon, 12/23/2013 - 01:47

SallyE (not verified)

Oh, that is sad.   This person asked for help months ago and no one responded!